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		<title>By: Bec</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl - This government mostly has a stigma about &lt;i&gt;paying&lt;/i&gt; for medication.  You get war hungry tossbag - we get penny pinching dickwad... wanna swap?

&lt;em&gt;Bec&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/OutOfMyTree/~3/244483741/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Family Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl &#8211; This government mostly has a stigma about <i>paying</i> for medication.  You get war hungry tossbag &#8211; we get penny pinching dickwad&#8230; wanna swap?</p>
<p><em>Bec&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/OutOfMyTree/~3/244483741/' rel="nofollow">A Family Day</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridiculously irresponsible article. Cannot believe people still have stigmas regarding medication. Get help if you need it. Drugs have saved my life.

&lt;em&gt;Karl&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/244931625/free-speech-onl.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free Speech Only Goes So Far, Dickhead&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculously irresponsible article. Cannot believe people still have stigmas regarding medication. Get help if you need it. Drugs have saved my life.</p>
<p><em>Karl&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecondhandTryptophan/~3/244931625/free-speech-onl.html' rel="nofollow">Free Speech Only Goes So Far, Dickhead</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Bec</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kapgar - Yep, yesterday was a slow news day - today Britain (over)reacts to something new

Miss Britt - You are right in your screaming.  I&#039;m normally all for research but I really don&#039;t think the guys who did this one considered what effect their conclusions would have on the people taking the medication.  It&#039;s not even like they are using new data - I think I&#039;m right in saying it&#039;s from the drug trials? I honestly give up... it just pisses me off. 

yorksdevil - You make a good point in summarising their findings.  But lets just take a moment and examine this.  If I was to tell you that the drug you are taking is going to make you feel better - you feel better, yes?  Many tests and studies have shown that placebos work... so in a way it does not matter if you get the drug or the placebo.  Now, because of all the press that this particular study has gotten thousands upon thousands of anti-depressant takers are going to be believing a little less in the drug they are taking.  This means that they won&#039;t feel the same as before - that the drug will have less effect.  I think the point I was trying to make was less about the study&#039;s conclusions and more about the negative effect it will have on those who are taking the drugs mentioned in it.

Penelope - I imagine somebody somewhere will drag this story up again in a few months when there is a surge of people going to the doctors demanding alternative therapies to treat their depression.  And Gordon Brown will come up with another &#039;surprise&#039; policy then... AM coming over all political now - that&#039;s not good!

Hilly - Exactly.  It&#039;s going to go back to the &#039;it&#039;s all in your mind, pull yourself together, you don&#039;t need drugs as they don&#039;t work anyway&#039; attitude.  I just want to cry.

Quantumfog - Oh yes, more in today&#039;s post... of course!  Nice little linking comment coming back at you though - when it happened I thought I was losing my mind!

Dan - See this is what I did today.  I read the transcript of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/02.htm#hddr_3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&#039;s Prime Minister&#039;s Question Time&lt;/a&gt; just to find out the level of investment for you.  It comes to a total of £173million to employ 3600 more therapists... and they are &quot;looking at piloting some of Lord Layard’s [the Government&#039;s expert who actually proposed employing 10,000 more therapists] proposals on how we can help people get into work...&quot; so it looks like it may be a fix &#039;em up and move &#039;em on policy anyway... I look forward to reading the details...

I just want to say, while we&#039;re on this subject how much I appreciate the work that you and your colleagues do... You deserve much more support than it appears the Government is willing to give,

&lt;em&gt;Bec&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/OutOfMyTree/~3/241791440/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The News has Jumped the Shark&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kapgar &#8211; Yep, yesterday was a slow news day &#8211; today Britain (over)reacts to something new</p>
<p>Miss Britt &#8211; You are right in your screaming.  I&#8217;m normally all for research but I really don&#8217;t think the guys who did this one considered what effect their conclusions would have on the people taking the medication.  It&#8217;s not even like they are using new data &#8211; I think I&#8217;m right in saying it&#8217;s from the drug trials? I honestly give up&#8230; it just pisses me off. </p>
<p>yorksdevil &#8211; You make a good point in summarising their findings.  But lets just take a moment and examine this.  If I was to tell you that the drug you are taking is going to make you feel better &#8211; you feel better, yes?  Many tests and studies have shown that placebos work&#8230; so in a way it does not matter if you get the drug or the placebo.  Now, because of all the press that this particular study has gotten thousands upon thousands of anti-depressant takers are going to be believing a little less in the drug they are taking.  This means that they won&#8217;t feel the same as before &#8211; that the drug will have less effect.  I think the point I was trying to make was less about the study&#8217;s conclusions and more about the negative effect it will have on those who are taking the drugs mentioned in it.</p>
<p>Penelope &#8211; I imagine somebody somewhere will drag this story up again in a few months when there is a surge of people going to the doctors demanding alternative therapies to treat their depression.  And Gordon Brown will come up with another &#8217;surprise&#8217; policy then&#8230; AM coming over all political now &#8211; that&#8217;s not good!</p>
<p>Hilly &#8211; Exactly.  It&#8217;s going to go back to the &#8216;it&#8217;s all in your mind, pull yourself together, you don&#8217;t need drugs as they don&#8217;t work anyway&#8217; attitude.  I just want to cry.</p>
<p>Quantumfog &#8211; Oh yes, more in today&#8217;s post&#8230; of course!  Nice little linking comment coming back at you though &#8211; when it happened I thought I was losing my mind!</p>
<p>Dan &#8211; See this is what I did today.  I read the transcript of <a href="http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm/cmtoday/cmdebate/02.htm#hddr_3" rel="nofollow">today&#8217;s Prime Minister&#8217;s Question Time</a> just to find out the level of investment for you.  It comes to a total of £173million to employ 3600 more therapists&#8230; and they are &#8220;looking at piloting some of Lord Layard’s [the Government's expert who actually proposed employing 10,000 more therapists] proposals on how we can help people get into work&#8230;&#8221; so it looks like it may be a fix &#8216;em up and move &#8216;em on policy anyway&#8230; I look forward to reading the details&#8230;</p>
<p>I just want to say, while we&#8217;re on this subject how much I appreciate the work that you and your colleagues do&#8230; You deserve much more support than it appears the Government is willing to give,</p>
<p><em>Bec&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/OutOfMyTree/~3/241791440/' rel="nofollow">The News has Jumped the Shark</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was the very definition of irresponsible journalism.  It&#039;s my view that the drugs &lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; work in may people&#039;s case.  Although it&#039;s true they don&#039;t work for some.

At the end of the day this is just one study.

As for the governments new plans to emphasize talking therapy.  I applaud it, but if they want it to work they are going to have to pump a lot more resources intot he mental health system.

&lt;em&gt;Dan&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/742&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When earthquakes attack&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the very definition of irresponsible journalism.  It&#8217;s my view that the drugs <strong>do</strong> work in may people&#8217;s case.  Although it&#8217;s true they don&#8217;t work for some.</p>
<p>At the end of the day this is just one study.</p>
<p>As for the governments new plans to emphasize talking therapy.  I applaud it, but if they want it to work they are going to have to pump a lot more resources intot he mental health system.</p>
<p><em>Dan&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://allthatcomeswithit.com/archives/742' rel="nofollow">When earthquakes attack</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Quantumfog</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Quantumfog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you came through the earthquake okay.  Bricks falling on one&#039;s head can give a different perspective on depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you came through the earthquake okay.  Bricks falling on one&#8217;s head can give a different perspective on depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilly</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-566</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m irritated for the same reason Britt is....we&#039;d finally got to a point where there is little stigma associated with having depression because people were open about it and it was finally understood.

This is going to set us back 20 years.

&lt;em&gt;Hilly&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.snackiepoo.com/blog/2008/02/today-i-rest-on.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Today I Rest On My Laurels While Eating Pink Cupcakes...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m irritated for the same reason Britt is&#8230;.we&#8217;d finally got to a point where there is little stigma associated with having depression because people were open about it and it was finally understood.</p>
<p>This is going to set us back 20 years.</p>
<p><em>Hilly&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.snackiepoo.com/blog/2008/02/today-i-rest-on.html' rel="nofollow">Today I Rest On My Laurels While Eating Pink Cupcakes&#8230;</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Penelope</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Penelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a huge segment on the Beeb news last night about this too.  I agree with yorksdevil - that was how I interpreted the story but I also totally agree with Britt that this is just another way to make people doubt treatment.  Despite the disclaimers that people currently taking medication shouldn&#039;t just quit, we all know that plenty will, and thus undo all the good work they and their doctors put in.
Scuse the waffly comment but there was a lot to say :o)

&lt;em&gt;Penelope&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.itsmepenelope.com/2008/02/check-mate.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Check Mate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a huge segment on the Beeb news last night about this too.  I agree with yorksdevil &#8211; that was how I interpreted the story but I also totally agree with Britt that this is just another way to make people doubt treatment.  Despite the disclaimers that people currently taking medication shouldn&#8217;t just quit, we all know that plenty will, and thus undo all the good work they and their doctors put in.<br />
Scuse the waffly comment but there was a lot to say <img src='http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p><em>Penelope&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.itsmepenelope.com/2008/02/check-mate.html' rel="nofollow">Check Mate</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: yorksdevil</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>yorksdevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be clear about what the claim is here. The claim is not that people who take anti-depressants don&#039;t get better. It is that people on anti-depressants do get better but people on placebos &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; get better.

As for the &#039;papers you mention; the Times is part of the Murdoch press, and the less said about the Guardian the better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be clear about what the claim is here. The claim is not that people who take anti-depressants don&#8217;t get better. It is that people on anti-depressants do get better but people on placebos <i>also</i> get better.</p>
<p>As for the &#8216;papers you mention; the Times is part of the Murdoch press, and the less said about the Guardian the better!</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Britt</title>
		<link>http://www.outofmytree.co.uk/2008/02/26/the-news-has-jumped-the-shark/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for FUCK&#039;S SAKE!

Just what people need.  Another layer of doubt and stigma to keep them away from a fucking doctor to get HELP.

&quot;Yeah, you&#039;re right, it&#039;s all in your head.  The gov&#039;t says &#039;snap out of it&#039;&quot;.

ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Talk about irresponsible fucking reporting.

&lt;em&gt;Miss Britt&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://miss-britt.com/2008/02/the-rest-of-the-centerfold-story/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rest Of The Centerfold Story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for FUCK&#8217;S SAKE!</p>
<p>Just what people need.  Another layer of doubt and stigma to keep them away from a fucking doctor to get HELP.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s all in your head.  The gov&#8217;t says &#8217;snap out of it&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
<p>ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Talk about irresponsible fucking reporting.</p>
<p><em>Miss Britt&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://miss-britt.com/2008/02/the-rest-of-the-centerfold-story/' rel="nofollow">The Rest Of The Centerfold Story</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: kapgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>kapgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s truly sad is how much coverpage space they take up with that graphic. Slow news day in London apparently.

&lt;em&gt;kapgar&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://kapgar.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/dont-let-the-su.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t let the sun go down on me...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s truly sad is how much coverpage space they take up with that graphic. Slow news day in London apparently.</p>
<p><em>kapgar&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://kapgar.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/dont-let-the-su.html' rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t let the sun go down on me&#8230;</a></em></p>
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